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		<title>By: Web Design Blog @ Repeat Penguin ~ Delivered repeatedly by Jeremy Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.repeatpenguin.com/2008/02/09/snuffing-the-esoteric/#comment-2349</link>
		<dc:creator>Web Design Blog @ Repeat Penguin ~ Delivered repeatedly by Jeremy Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.repeatpenguin.com/2008/02/09/snuffing-the-esoteric/#comment-2214</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 00:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Dang, why you want to make it harder for the purchasers of &#039;design&#039;?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m not sure where you are coming from here. I&#039;m not advocating anything that would make things harder for the &#039;purchasers of design.&#039; In fact, quite the opposite.

While it is understandable for people outside of the industry to use terms like &quot;look and feel,&quot; my argument is that these terms do not carry any real meaning, and practitioners of design should respond with a specific, rather than the use/reuse of such a vague term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Dang, why you want to make it harder for the purchasers of &#8216;design&#8217;?</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure where you are coming from here. I&#8217;m not advocating anything that would make things harder for the &#8216;purchasers of design.&#8217; In fact, quite the opposite.</p>
<p>While it is understandable for people outside of the industry to use terms like &#8220;look and feel,&#8221; my argument is that these terms do not carry any real meaning, and practitioners of design should respond with a specific, rather than the use/reuse of such a vague term.</p>
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		<title>By: hoboking</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang, why you want to make it harder for the purchasers of &#039;design&#039;?  I am not a designer, but I do hear various critique attempts now and then, and I have to wonder -- are most people simply design illiterate?

My suspicion is that a person without aesthetic talent, training or interest doesn&#039;t actually have any idea of what they want, beyond &#039;edgy&#039; or &#039;classic&#039;.  This is simply because they lack to vocabulary to know what colors/design scheme will create a certain mood - or &#039;look and feel&#039;.  Thus while nothing above is a bad idea, client communication is key no matter what industry, there is likely a point where a client is simply throwing themselves onto the expertise of the technocrat they&#039;ve hired.  In the case of design frequently this point may be the very beginning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang, why you want to make it harder for the purchasers of &#8216;design&#8217;?  I am not a designer, but I do hear various critique attempts now and then, and I have to wonder &#8212; are most people simply design illiterate?</p>
<p>My suspicion is that a person without aesthetic talent, training or interest doesn&#8217;t actually have any idea of what they want, beyond &#8216;edgy&#8217; or &#8216;classic&#8217;.  This is simply because they lack to vocabulary to know what colors/design scheme will create a certain mood &#8211; or &#8216;look and feel&#8217;.  Thus while nothing above is a bad idea, client communication is key no matter what industry, there is likely a point where a client is simply throwing themselves onto the expertise of the technocrat they&#8217;ve hired.  In the case of design frequently this point may be the very beginning.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren Scime</title>
		<link>http://www.repeatpenguin.com/2008/02/09/snuffing-the-esoteric/#comment-2159</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren Scime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I am, however, disturbed when I hear designers adopting these vague terms and using them in practice.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I definitely agree - it&#039;s understandable when the client uses the term &quot;look and feel&quot; - but there is no excuse for when designers use it in their own everyday practice.

It&#039;s natural for the client to ask for a particular &quot;look and feel&quot; summed up by a short list of vague adjectives. They haven&#039;t learned to talk about design. 

The problem is not so much with their attempt to describe things based on a look and feel though. It&#039;s that adjectives like &quot;modern&quot; or &quot;edgy&quot; are all relative to individual taste, so it&#039;s up to us to help them  articulate the visual specifics of what they are after. Thus we ask questions and look at exemplary sites with them so that we can uncover what&#039;s in their head and interpret their desires into our design. That&#039;s a core part of our job - and probably the most crucial part of good client communication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I am, however, disturbed when I hear designers adopting these vague terms and using them in practice.</p></blockquote>
<p>I definitely agree &#8211; it&#8217;s understandable when the client uses the term &#8220;look and feel&#8221; &#8211; but there is no excuse for when designers use it in their own everyday practice.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s natural for the client to ask for a particular &#8220;look and feel&#8221; summed up by a short list of vague adjectives. They haven&#8217;t learned to talk about design. </p>
<p>The problem is not so much with their attempt to describe things based on a look and feel though. It&#8217;s that adjectives like &#8220;modern&#8221; or &#8220;edgy&#8221; are all relative to individual taste, so it&#8217;s up to us to help them  articulate the visual specifics of what they are after. Thus we ask questions and look at exemplary sites with them so that we can uncover what&#8217;s in their head and interpret their desires into our design. That&#8217;s a core part of our job &#8211; and probably the most crucial part of good client communication.</p>
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